Monkeypox: PASS Shares Latest Information, Resources on Industry Response to Outbreak

LOS ANGELES — With concern about monkeypox becoming widespread in the adult industry, XBIZ spoke with industry health advocate and PASS Executive Director Ian O’Brien about awareness, prevention and the status of the infectious disease outbreak.

“PASS is committed to protecting the health and safety of our industry,” O’Brien told XBIZ. “As new research and tools become available, we will seek to use them.”

As of now, O’Brien added, “we believe we can achieve the greatest impact by directing our focus on increasing vaccine access and spreading awareness around the new production guidelines we have released in response.”

Monkeypox Testing More Complex Than Other STI Testing

O’Brien emphasized that one of the issues the community needs to be aware of is that “we cannot currently test for monkeypox the same way we do for other STIs.”

This complicates dealing with monkeypox using tracing protocols that the industry has developed for regular STI testing and the PASS system.

“While tests are available for monkeypox,” PASS cautioned in one of several statements on the outbreak, “current gold standard testing requires the swabbing of visible lesions that are sent off for confirmatory testing.” Results are then reported in detail to the public health departments monitoring monkeypox infections.

According to the PASS statement, “This means a person would have to be visibly symptomatic before they can be tested — which presumably means they wouldn’t be on set in the first place.”

Moreover, the limited availability of testing, the additional credentialing required of the testing staff and the additional administrative requirements from public health authorities “make the current logistics of testing for monkeypox unrealistic,” PASS explained to the community.

“There are a number of screening tests in current development, and if one looks like it could be an effective tool for our industry we would certainly look into adding it to the testing panel,” the statement noted.

Production Hold ‘Would Not Solve’ Monkeypox Issue

Another question that O’Brien and PASS addressed is whether reported cases of industry figures who may have been exposed to monkeypox would warrant a production hold similar to the ones called for positive HIV tests.

“We do not call production holds lightly, as they have significant impacts on the lives of people in the industry — a lost shoot could mean the difference between making rent money or not for some folks,” the PASS statement explained.

When PASS calls a production hold for HIV, the statement continued, “we do so knowing that they will be effective and finite for two reasons: 1) we will either be able to identify and contain a potential infection, or 2) enough time will pass that any infection that might be in the talent pool would have enough time to be detected on our testing panels, so having everyone retest is a viable option.”

For the current monkeypox outbreak, however, “neither of these are currently true,” PASS explained.

“There is currently no mechanism for us to track potential infection in the industry as it is not something that can be screened for through our testing partners in the same way as STIs,” PASS added. “As we have no way of knowing what the current prevalence is of monkeypox in the industry, and no way to screen for monkeypox to keep it out of the industry — we’d have no way to evaluate whether a production hold was effective or not and we’d have to continue it for an indeterminate amount of time.”

The industry health protocol group acknowledged, however, that “our knowledge of the situation and available tools could change — and if a production hold became a meaningful tool to keep people safe, we would consider using it.”

Adult Industry and PASS Participate in National Conversation Regarding Monkeypox

Last week, performer, director, activist and PASS spokesperson Siouxsie Q spoke to the Los Angeles Times for an in-depth feature on the impact of the outbreak on different areas of sex work.

The LA Times praised PASS as “an organization focused on the health and safety of workers in the adult industry, which has argued that sex workers are at heightened risk, regardless of gender.”

Siouxsie Q told the newspaper that, “because jobs in the industry often involve skin-to-skin contact, ‘it’s super important that all genders who do this kind of work for survival have access to the health resources we need (namely, vaccines) to stay as safe as possible.’” 

O’Brien also spoke at length with Buzzfeed in late August, noting that PASS had “put out some information urging the industry to pay attention, to be cautious. We contacted our production contacts to say, ‘This is happening. We’re monitoring it.’”

“Most of our strategy, as an industry, has been really reliant on screening and testing for infectious disease prior to folks being on set — this works really well for STIs,” O’Brien told Buzzfeed. “Since PASS’ inception, we’ve never had a single transmission of HIV on set.” PASS has been in operation since 2011.

O’Brien added that although the standard screening system worked “pretty well for COVID, we couldn’t use the same strategies for monkeypox because there is no screening test. We debated if we should help with guidance around identifying potential lesions, but that felt a little bit like playing doctor and asking folks to be armchair dermatologists.”

PASS’ guidelines, O’Brien said, urge performers to skip work if they “develop any sort of suspicious rash, lesions, or bumps, or ‘feel sick,’” as well as to “clean and disinfect surfaces, bedding, and clothing” and to try to get the vaccine.

When the first guidelines came out, O’Brien noted, the monkeypox vaccine was available in Los Angeles to gay men who had had rectal gonorrhea in the preceding three months.

“I understand the risk evaluation there,” he said. “But I don’t think pragmatically that’s how communities access things.”

In response to some health professionals recommending abstinence, O’Brien explained to the mainstream news site that “abstinence means something radically different to somebody whose livelihood depends on sexual activity.”

Instead, O’Brien explained, PASS decided to make it a priority “to get folks who we believe to be at risk as much as access as we can.” This strategy, Buzzfeed reported, was helped by the fact that James Bell, director of the PASS board, is also director of sexual health services for the Los Angeles LGBT Center, “which had received a significant supply of the vaccine from the Los Angeles Department of Health.”

“Jamie and the folks at the LA LGBT Center really advocated for being able to put on a clinic for folks of all genders in sex work,” O’Brien told the site.

Other mainstream media outlets that recently spoke with PASS about the monkeypox outbreak include Rolling Stone and radio station KCRW.

Resources for Performers, Sex Workers and Adult Industry Members

Free Speech Coalition Executive Director Alison Boden told XBIZ, “Ian and the PASS team have had a significant impact on the national conversation around monkeypox, and most importantly, managed to direct public health resources to where they’re needed: our production community on the front lines of this outbreak.”

Boden added that the FSC’s mission to protect the rights and freedoms of the adult industry “obviously includes ensuring its safety, and we’re proud to support the PASS team’s incredible efforts.”

For more information on monkeypox vaccine access for adult industry members, click here.

To sign up for a Monkeypox vaccine clinic for sex workers in West Hollywood on Friday, Sept. 9, click here.

For the new production guidelines recommended by PASS regarding monkeypox awareness and prevention, click here.

For PASS’ general monkeypox info page, click here.

For more on the vaccine, click here.

For infectious disease memos, including monkeypox tracking, click here.

To learn more on how to help PASS with advocacy for sex worker access to the monkeypox vaccine, click here.

For more up-to-date information, follow PASS on Twitter.

‘Aneros Goes Blue’ Special Edition MGX Syn Now Available

'Aneros Goes Blue' Special Edition MGX Syn Now Available

HOUSTON, Texas — Aneros has officially launched the MGX Syn Prostate Health and Awareness Special Edition, to coincide with National Prostate Cancer Awareness Month.

The special-edition blue MGX Syn is a limited-release item, available for the month of September only. Blue is the signature color of prostate health and awareness ribbons and related items. 

Designed in a bespoke blue “velvet touch” silicone, the MGX Syn “features the patented shape and styling that have made the Helix Syn a leading self-powered prostate massager,” a rep noted.

Aneros has provided distributors and retailers with a specially curated retail kit that includes prostate health-related information to help educate consumers.

In addition to the creation of the blue MGX and “Aneros Goes Blue” retail kits, Aneros will donate a portion of the proceeds from the sales of these special-edition items to the charity Zero — The End of Prostate Cancer and will also sponsor the Zero Prostate Run/Walk in Houston, Texas on Sept. 10.

To further raise awareness, Aneros will be hosting contests open to retailers who create displays to commemorate National Prostate Cancer Awareness Month, also known as National Prostate Health Month. Retailers are encouraged to decorate an aisle, a table, an endcap or their entire store using the color blue and/or the Aneros Goes Blue kit items.

One winner will be selected from each of the following categories: “Most Creative,” “Best Use of the ‘Aneros Goes Blue’ Kit” and “Best Use of the Color Blue.” Winners will receive a staff lunch hosted by Aneros, product credit and gift cards. 

To participate, post a photo of the display to social media with the #anerosgoesblue hashtag, or email press@Aneros.com.

For more information on the MGX Syn Prostate Health and Awareness Special Edition and the “Aneros Goes Blue” retail kit, contact a distributor.

For more information, follow Aneros on Twitter.

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Reagan Foxx Featured in Newest Touch My Wife Release

SCOTTSDALE — Reagan Foxx stars in “Watching My Wife,” the latest release from Touch My Wife. 

Foxx’s scene, originally released as “Step-Mom Has a Different Approach To Finding a Release!” on My Pervy Family, features her “teaching her stepson that a real woman is always better than jerking off to porn.”

“I had no idea this scene was being rereleased as part of a new DVD,” Reagan said. “I’m proud of my performance in it, both in terms of acting and, of course, sex, so I am thrilled it’s getting a wider audience.”

Watch or order the release here.

Follow Reagan Foxx on Twitter

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2023 XBIZ Awards Categories Announced, Pre-Noms Now Open

2023 XBIZ Awards Categories Announced, Pre-Noms Now Open

LOS ANGELES — XBIZ is pleased to announce the official list of categories for the 2023 XBIZ Awards, the adult industry’s biggest night, set for Jan. 15, 2023, in Hollywood.

The 21st annual XBIZ Awards will cover the most extensive and inclusive range of categories in adult. The pre-nomination period is now open. Industry professionals who are registered members of XBIZ.net can access the pre-nomination submission form.

This year, in recognition of short-form narrative releases, XBIZ has introduced two new categories: Featurette of the Year and Best Sex Scene — Featurette. The Awards will also recognize outstanding performer firsts, such as “first DP,” with the new category of Best Sex Scene — Career-First Performance, while Gay Movie of the Year has been expanded into two categories: Gay Feature of the Year and Gay All-Sex Release of the Year.

The final day for pre-nomination entries is Friday, Sept. 30.

To be eligible for nomination, movies and pleasure products must be released between Oct. 1, 2021 and Sept. 30, 2022.

Links to digital content, marketing material and/or website access information must be provided via the submission form.

The XBIZ Awards is the crown jewel finale to XBIZ’s winter events series, including X3 Expo set for Jan. 13-14, 2023.

The complete list of 2023 XBIZ Awards categories follows:

MOVIES & PRODUCTION

  • Feature Movie of the Year
  • Vignette Movie of the Year
  • Vignette Series of the Year
  • Gonzo Movie of the Year
  • Gonzo Series of the Year
  • All-Girl Movie of the Year
  • All-Girl Series of the Year
  • Featurette of the Year
  • Web Series of the Year
  • Gay Feature of the Year
  • Gay All-Sex Release of the Year
  • Trans Movie of the Year
  • Specialty Release of the Year
  • Director of the Year
  • Director of the Year — Gay
  • Director of the Year — Trans
  • Performer of the Year — All-Inclusive
  • Female Performer of the Year
  • Male Performer of the Year
  • MILF Performer of the Year
  • Girl/Girl Performer of the Year
  • Gay Performer of the Year
  • Trans Performer of the Year
  • Best New Performer
  • Best Acting — Lead
  • Best Acting — Supporting
  • Best Sex Scene — Feature Movie
  • Best Sex Scene — Performer Showcase
  • Best Sex Scene — Vignette
  • Best Sex Scene — Gonzo
  • Best Sex Scene — All-Girl
  • Best Sex Scene — Featurette
  • Best Sex Scene — Career-First Performance
  • Best Sex Scene — Trans
  • Best Sex Scene — Web Series
  • Best Sex Scene — Virtual Reality
  • Best Screenplay
  • Best Cinematography
  • Best Editing
  • Best Art Direction
  • Studio of the Year
  • Best New Studio/Imprint

WEB & TECHNOLOGY

  • Paysite Network of the Year
  • Cam Company of the Year
  • Creator Platform Company of the Year
  • Dating Company of the Year
  • Payment Services Company of the Year — IPSP
  • Payment Services Company of the Year — Merchant Services
  • Payment Services Company of the Year — Alternative
  • VOD Company of the Year
  • Traffic Services Company of the Year
  • Web Services Company of the Year
  • Emerging Web Brand of the Year
  • Cam Model of the Year
  • Clip Artist of the Year
  • Premium Social Media Star of the Year
  • Cam Site of the Year — Premium
  • Cam Site of the Year — Freemium
  • Gay Cam Site of the Year
  • Creator Platform Site of the Year
  • Paysite of the Year
  • Best New Site
  • VOD Site of the Year
  • Erotic Site of the Year
  • Photography Site of the Year
  • All-Girl Site of the Year
  • Gay Site of the Year
  • Trans Site of the Year
  • Virtual Reality Site of the Year

PLEASURE PRODUCTS

  • Pleasure Products Company of the Year — Full Range
  • Luxury Pleasure Product/Line of the Year
  • Luxury Brand of the Year
  • Sex Toy of the Year — Powered (Vibrating)
  • Sex Toy of the Year — Powered (Non-Vibrating)
  • Sex Toy of the Year — Non-Powered
  • Couples Toy of the Year
  • Innovative Sex Toy of the Year
  • Male Pleasure Product of the Year
  • Queer Pleasure Product Brand of the Year
  • Fetish Line of the Year
  • BDSM Pleasure Products Company of the Year
  • Adult Game of the Year
  • Subscription Box Brand of the Year
  • Excellence in Product Packaging
  • Lingerie Company of the Year
  • Sexual Health & Wellness Brand of the Year
  • Sex Enhancement Product of the Year
  • Sex Lubricant of the Year
  • Sex Lubricant Company of the Year
  • Sensual Bath & Body Product of the Year
  • Condom Company of the Year
  • International Pleasure Products Company of the Year
  • Progressive Pleasure Products Company of the Year
  • Boutique Pleasure Products Company of the Year
  • New Pleasure Products Company of the Year
  • Sexpert of the Year

RETAIL & DISTRIBUTION

  • Retailer of the Year — Chain
  • Retailer of the Year — Boutique
  • Online Retailer of the Year
  • Online Retailer of the Year — Boutique
  • Retail Education Program of the Year
  • Home Party Company of the Year
  • Distributor of the Year
  • International Retailer of the Year
  • International Distributor of the Year

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Valentina Nappi, Anna de Ville Team Up for Benefit Monkey’s ‘Bubble Trouble’

Valentina Nappi, Anna de Ville Team Up for Benefit Monkey's 'Bubble Trouble'

LUGANO, Switzerland — Anna de Ville and Valentina Nappi star in Benefit Monkey’s latest all-girl scene, “Bubble Trouble.”

The title marks the first pairing for Nappi and de Ville, and also features BTS material. According to a Benefit Monkey rep, it was shot at the same time as another forthcoming scene, “Holy Threesome!” with Benefit Monkey male talent Hungrylla. 

The rep enthused that it was “such a great honor working with Valentina and Anna. These veritable stars are a force of nature. I really hope that the Hungrylla survived the experience.”

“Bubble Trouble” and “Holy Threesome!” are part of a new co-production project with new U.S.-based studio Los Huequitos, said to include two different versions of the scenes with the same cast.

“More than 16 scenes are ready to be released, involving names such as Alexis Crystal, Melody Marks and Blake Blossom,” the rep added.

To watch the scenes, visit TheBenefitMonkey.com. For more information, follow the company on Twitter and Instagram.

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BranditScan Offers Labor Day Weekend Sale

LOS ANGELES — BranditScan is celebrating Labor Day Weekend with a 20 percent off sale for one month of its premium service.

The deal will last from Saturday through Monday. Creators can access this limited time offer with the code “LABOUR20” and for those curious about the service, a free scan is available.

The company is “an industry leading security platform for brand and content protection,” a rep said. “BranditScan offers various services including DMCA takedowns, Google delisting, catfish account takedowns, brand monitoring, and much more.”

To learn more about this offer, visit BranditScan.com.

Follow BranditScan on Twitter.

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Eldorado to Attend New International Lingerie Show

BROOMFIELD, Colo. — Eldorado Trading Company, will be attending the 2022 New International Lingerie (ILS) show Sept. 12-13 at the Tuscany Suites and Casino in Las Vegas.

According to a company rep, Eldorado will be hosting a booth that will showcase Eldorado Exclusives, products that include lingerie, pleasure products, BDSM, kink, luxury items.

“Guests visiting booth 301 will have the opportunity to see and touch the exciting new products,” a rep added.

Derek DalPiaz, Eldorado director of sales and marketing, will be meeting with customers and manufacturers throughout the event.

“ILS is a great opportunity to connect with key people from across the industry. Be sure to stop by the booth, say hello, and check out the top brands that only Eldorado carries,” he said.

For more information about the Eldorado ILS booth, email the Eldorado Marketing department at marketingteam@eldorado.net.

Visit Eldorado online and follow the company on Twitter.

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ASACP Names Lion’s Den, DatingGold, Kate’s Tube ‘Featured Sponsors’ for September

LOS ANGELES — ASACP has named Lion’s Den, DatingGold, and Kate’s Tube as its featured sponsors for September.

ASACP’s Executive Director Tim Henning shared that its sponsors rank among the industry’s most respected companies and exemplify corporate responsibility, ethical business practices, and simple technical measures can help protect minors and other sensitive users from accidental exposure to age-restricted materials online.

“By working together toward the common goal of protecting children and vulnerable groups, industry leaders and other stakeholders can improve the enjoyment and safety of internet surfing for everyone,” Henning said. “ASACP’s diverse family of sponsors reflects the wide range of companies that support our efforts to preserve freedom of choice for adults while protecting the innocence of youth.”

These are the ASACP descriptions of its August featured sponsors:

Lion’s Den

An ASACP Title Sponsor that has supported the association since 2006, Lion’s Den provides the very best in sexual health products, including a range of adult toys, lingerie, massage oils, literature, novelty items, and more, through its retail superstores and online at LionsDen.com.

Lion’s Den advocates for a sex-positive perspective on intimacy and sexual wellbeing and strives to break the stereotypes and stigma surrounding sex by providing comprehensive educational resources to empower everyone to enjoy life to the fullest. Lion’s Den partners with many organizations to amplify awareness regarding sexual health. Through joint efforts, Lion’s Den provides valued resources to support organizations focused on sexual health and education, first amendment rights, child protection, and human trafficking.

“We’re proud that our community involvement includes supporting ASACP’s efforts to protect kids from exploitation and adult material,” said Lion’s Den CEO Michael Moran. “Each of these areas directly relates to the adult industry, and Lion’s Den is proud to support causes that improve their brand’s customer experience and the industry as a whole.”

DatingGold

A valued ASACP Corporate Sponsor since 2007, casual dating and webcam affiliate program DatingGold.com demonstrates its commitment to protecting children by including the RTA label on its flagship cam site WebCamClub.com, and dating site, AmateurMatch.com. It also offers a variety of other niche cam and dating sites, as well as co-branded affiliate sites.

Although ASACP holds its sponsors to the highest ethical standards, cam and dating sites are faced with additional membership requirements because they contain user-generated content. Because UGC production occurs outside of commercial channels that confirm a performer’s proof of age, extra steps are needed to ensure that only lawful images and consenting adults are displayed.

Here, DatingGold excels as an example of how proactive measures by content providers can make a difference in keeping children safe on (and from) the internet.

Kate’s Tube

Since 2019, KatesTube.com has been a proud Corporate Sponsor of ASACP.

“We cooperate with this organization to make the internet safer for children and cleaner for adults,” a company spokesperson said. “While we are not content creators, we monitor the site regularly to ensure that we abide by all relevant policies and guidelines, such as 18 USC ‘2257.”

The spokesperson noted that KatesTube.com is committed to improving its visitor safety and overall user experience. As such, it is increasing its investment and resources to make its network of sites even cleaner and more secure.

It is an effort and investment that the operators of Kate’s Tube hope will serve as an excellent example for its peers to follow.

“We encourage other adult tube sites to step up to an industry leadership role by sponsoring ASACP. Let’s all work together to continue making a tangible difference in online child safety,” Henning said.

“ASACP is grateful to Lion’s Den, DatingGold, and Kate’s Tube for their commitment, generosity, and leadership in supporting the association and its mission to keep children out of and away from adult-oriented content,” Henning concluded. “ASACP’s sponsors are united in building a better future for the industry and society’s most vulnerable members. We thank them for this and encourage others to join in this noble crusade.”

Visit ASACP online and on Twitter; contact Henning at tim@asacp.org.

CoinDesk Publishes Crypto Guide for Sex Workers

CoinDesk Publishes Crypto Guide for Sex Workers

LOS ANGELES — Leading crypto news site CoinDesk has published a guide for adult creators and sex workers on how to use technologies like crypto, non-fungible tokens and decentralized finance to get paid for their content and services.

The guide, one of CoinDesk’s “Crypto Explainer+” articles, was penned by Megan DeMatteo and ran as part of the site’s “Sin Week” series.

“One could argue that crypto is simply a rational option in an industry that regularly faces police raids, censorship and blacklisting from legacy payment processors,” DeMatteo noted.

The article features cryptocurrency sector companies and initiatives such as NFTreats, Playboy NFTs and Spankchain. 

“The existence of an adult creator on these platforms is very precarious,” NFTreats’ Ernest told CoinDesk, citing abrupt changes in terms and conditions, withholding of payments and pressure from “Christian fundamentalists or politicians.”

For those in the sex work industry, DeMatteo noted, “the philosophy of decentralization goes beyond porn. Due to stigma, those who work in adult entertainment or sex work often turn to grassroots organizing to meet their needs. For example, the mutual aid organization Red Canary Song distributes food and medical care to Asian American sex workers, and the advocacy coalition DecrimNY works to destigmatize, decriminalize and decarcerate those who perform sexual labor, whether by choice, circumstance or coercion.”

To read “How to Pay for Porn With Crypto,” visit CoinDesk.

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Mark Zuckerberg Defends Porn Ban, Denies ‘Shadowbans’ Exist

MENLO PARK, Calif. — During a recent interview, Facebook founder, Instagram owner and Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg doubled down on his platforms’ total ban on “pornography” and flatly denied the existence of “shadowbans” against specific users.

The rambling three-hour interview, which took place on Joe Rogan’s Spotify podcast, was called by The Independent’s reviewer, “one of the most excruciating things I’ve ever seen.”

Zuckerberg pontificated on a variety of topics, including his background, the history of his material and professional success, his self-image now and his predictions for a metaverse-intensive future.

At one point during the chat, Rogan pressed Zuckerberg on his companies’ moderation policies, especially concerning free speech, which for the podcaster, comedian and MMA announcer mostly involves the deplatforming of his friends and associates from the political right.

Twitter vs. Meta

Rogan was also particularly interested in Zuckerberg’s opinion about Twitter, which is currently at the center of a debate involving would-be purchaser Elon Musk, Rogan’s friend. Zuckerberg demurred from commenting, stating that he is “not super deep on Twitter’s policies.”

“Twitter has pornography,” Rogan said out of the blue. “I mean, they have hardcore pornography. You could just accidentally stumble onto someone you follow’s page and they’ll have hardcore pornography.”

“Pornography is a thing that we don’t allow,” Zuckerberg decreed with automated precision. “I think it’s somewhat controversial because, I mean, you could make a pretty good argument, I think, that this isn’t doing physical harm to people. I know that there’s arguments on both sides of that, so I don’t want to go super deep on that, but I’d say our reason for not wanting pornography is more for the feel of the community than the sense of harm.”

Zuckerberg’s companies’ terms of service define “pornography” to include any images of “female nipples,” and lump it together with content featuring violence, terrorism and self-harm.

The Meta CEO added, “Obviously, child pornography is different. That’s obviously real harm, but I think that’s one category of content where it’s kind of more of an editorial moderation decision. I don’t think it’s a political decision.”

Expanding on why Meta platforms reject “pornography,” Zuckerberg said, “We want the feel of the service to be about people connecting with their friends and family and not necessarily coming across that kind of content.”

In Zuckerberg’s opinion, “Most of the stuff that I think gets taken down, actually most people would agree needs to get taken down. Then I think there’s mistakes and then there’s stuff like how do you handle misinformation, which I think society as a whole doesn’t agree on.”

Shadowbans? What Shadowbans?

Rogan then pressed Zuckerberg on the topic of “shadowbans,” which erase individual users from searches, autofills and even appeals forms. This phenomenon has been experienced by a variety of users, from political commentators to virtually every sex worker, including adult performers.

“One thing that people freak out about, and oftentimes I’m a little skeptical of their concerns, is people think they’re being shadowbanned always,” Rogan said with some trepidation. “People think they’re being shadowbanned. Is shadowbanning a real thing and what does that mean?”

“There’s no policy that is ‘shadowbanning,’” Zuckerberg claimed. “I think it’s sort of a slang term, but that maybe refers to some of the demotions that we’re talking about. If someone posts something that gets marked as false by a fact checker, then it’ll get somewhat less shown in the feed.”

“Just that post or all of their posts for the future?” Rogan asked.

“If you do it once, then it’s that … there’s kind of different rules for pages and groups and different things. Then there can be some kind of broader policy that applies, but when I look into this stuff — a lot of my friends and people I know just send me examples, because unfortunately there are a lot of mistakes.”

To the likely surprise of thousands of sex workers who may have felt like they were being gaslit by one of the world’s wealthiest and most powerful men, Zuckerberg then added with a straight face, “As it relates to concerns about shadowbanning, a lot of the time when I look into stuff, people attribute some motive or Meta has some stupid policy in place that blocked this, or they’re banning this thing. A lot of the time it was either just a mistake, so nothing was supposed to happen, but there was some bug in the system or some system didn’t work the way it was supposed to, which is a real issue, but it’s not an ideological issue.”

‘Just Work Out’

The Meta CEO added that some perceived shadowbanning might be explained this way: “Maybe their post just wasn’t as good or something, and it just didn’t get the distribution that they wanted it to.”

After discussing a specific example of a friend of Rogan’s that Zuckerberg had looked into, the podcaster suggested that people are responding to “a lack of transparency as to how does this all work. They assume there’s nefarious intentions and that someone’s censoring them.”

Zuckerberg attempted to get the host to empathize with him.

“I’m curious how you’d think about this if you were in my position,” he pled, without a hint of emotion in his delivery.

“I’ve thought about it,” Rogan admitted. “I imagine it would be incredibly overwhelming, and I’d probably be on Xanax. I don’t know.”

“Or you’d just work out more,” counseled Zuckerberg, who visibly buffed out his scrawny programmer’s physique as he entered middle age. “Just work out.”